Title: Deprogram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “Hamas Has Won\"
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2025-10-30
URL: https://youtu.be/tZ1gVL3EvcU
Duration: 58:00

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[00:00] overnight. We're in a We're in a lull right now. We're on generator power, so forgive me if I drop out. Um furniture everywhere. >> Wow. >> And I know it's probably silly, but when it rains heavily, that's when all the tarantulas come out of their holes. [laughter] >> That's not >> I have that to greet me. Uh today, >> do they come inside looking for shelter? >> The last couple of days, there was one in the dining room last night. >> No. And you guys and you have a bunch of

[00:31] liberals there. So you shoe them out rather than >> I there was a moth in my room the size of a sparrow. Not even a sparrow, a robin. It was like this bigger than a sparrow. And and I killed it and it got that powder everywhere. You know how monks are. >> Yeah. >> And everybody jumped on me that it's one of God's creatures and I should have captured it and taken it outside. I said, I've killed two of them in my room already. [laughter] Not to talk not to even talk about the

[01:02] the family of mice that's in my dresser. That's why I'm still using suitcases back here. >> Yeah. You don't really you can't really clobber them because they make such a mess. >> Not if that's even assuming you can catch them. They're they're like grease lightning. They're they're crazy. >> Yeah. >> The tarantula situation sounds I have to say. At least is it is it is the rain knocking the mosquitoes out of the sky? Yeah, for the very first time, the rain is helping with the mosquitoes. Ted, it is so oppressively

[01:33] hot and humid here. I feel like I'm melting. And everybody keeps saying, "Oh, it's very unusual. This is this is the weather for for early September, not early October. It is just stifling." >> I'm so sorry, John. I mean, I hate >> having fun the movie. >> The the star arrived a couple days ago. Um, >> are you at liberty to say who the star is? >> Yeah, it's Jeff Fehee. He was in Motorcycle Man and Lost and a whole bunch of stuff.

[02:03] >> Oh, what was he? I I was a big fan of Lost. Do you remember? >> Oh, yeah. HE WAS HELICOPTER PILOT. >> OH, THAT GUY'S GREAT. >> YEAH, he's great. >> Fantastic. I can't wait to see it. Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, I've I've never acted before and it's hard and it's intimidating, but all these people are professional actors and so that's what has made it so much easier >> for you. >> Very helpful. I'm enjoying myself very much. >> Are they Are they giving you hints and anything? >> Yeah. >> Wow, that's awesome. I love that.

[02:36] >> It's when I got into When I got into talk radio, uh Mike Gallagher, the conservative talk. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, sure. He basically taught me everything I know about talk radio and uh it was I don't people others will judge whether that was uh worth knowing or not. I'm going to go through a rundown and then we'll bring in Robbie in for a little business. Um and then uh we'll get to it. So uh it's the third ann it's the sorry the second anniversary of the October 7th Hamas attack. Um as I put into the thumbnail Hamas I think we've talked about this

[03:06] and I hope I think we probably agree on the idea. Hamas appears to have won. Uh we'll talk about the future of the conflict as it enters its third its third year. Uh Gazlain Max Maxwell's appeal um to the US Supreme Court was denied. U we'll talk about whether Trump plans to pardon her or give her clemency or whatnot. Um also uh we've got uh the the the political crisis in France is deepening unsurprisingly after uh Sebastian Lu

[03:40] stepped down. Uh the the stock markets there labels is uh just completely roing. The French economy is uh kind of on the ropes and uh even his first prime minister is urging uh President Emanuel Macron to resign. And I think we're going to see more calls for his resignation in the coming hours and days. Um the government shutdown continues a pace. John, uh you might be better off not flying around the United States even there. Uh just uh I was

[04:11] laughing because and in horror at the fact that a pilot at Burbank airport north of LA called the control tower to get instructions from ATC and basically got >> like no one's here to help you due to short staffing and the government shutdown. I mean he did manage to get off the ground I guess with instructions from LAX but still that's pretty crazy. So, um, we also should bring in Robbie. We had a little bit of disconcerting,

[04:42] uh, financial news that, um, we're gonna bring you up to speed on. And thanks everyone for watching us here. We really appreciate you, >> Robbie. >> So, good morning. It seems like every time that the producer comes on, it's always bad news. >> That's not true. >> And I know Okay, that's not true. But I do want to kind of rub your nose into this, John. Uh here in Mont here in here in Montana, it is currently a steamy 24 degrees >> and we got frost everywhere. So while

[05:13] you're there sweltering in Mexico, I just want to let you know I am very much enjoying the fact we actually have seasons here in Montana. So there is that. But no, let's just uh go into the news. So first and foremost, YouTube has demonetized us. Yes, y'all heard that right. So, for those of you who watch us on YouTube, uh we appreciate it, but I just want y'all to know that YouTube thanks you very much because they are directly benefiting from your watching, but John and Ted are not getting a dime

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[07:17] throwing us to Lifeline. Watch us on Rumble. They pay us off of watch hours. you can donate, become channel subscribers because I mean me being the good capitalist that I am and the right-wing capitalist at that, I don't like the idea of working for someone for free. >> And that's what we're doing right now on YouTube. >> And if if I know there are a lot of people who don't like this option, but this and for you, >> PayPal is an option, too. >> PayPal is an option. Here's the PayPal address. DProgrampodcast@gmail.com.

[07:47] It's dprogrampodcast@gmail.com. Okay, Robbie, thank you so much for that. >> And uh and big shout out to Scott over there on Rumble. Uh thank you for what you do. [ __ ] YouTube. And I wholeheartedly agree with that message. [ __ ] you, YouTube. [laughter] >> All right, Robbie, we'll see you later. All right, let's get to it. Um what do you want to talk about first? You want to talk about France shutdown Jizlain or uh or Gaza? And actually, if you don't mind, I'd like to talk about France because I have

[08:19] a a question. I think probably a lot of people have this question. >> Um, in in my memory, you know, going back to George Pompedu or maybe, you know, maybe even before, I don't remember a French president ever resigning. What happens when a French president resigns? They have fixed what is it? Eightyear to uh terms, 10-year terms. It's long. >> It's f It used to be seven. Now, now it's five.

[08:50] >> So, the current >> the current term is meant to uh end in two years. So, uh I'm not sure what time of the year it is. Um uh but what norm I mean so the last time it happened uh I believe was Charles de Gaul in uh in his third time as president after the May 1968 student and union uprising that almost uh caused a socialist revolution in France. Um and at that and basically what happens is that there's new elections. Um, so and

[09:22] >> and is it just to fill out the remainder of the term >> or does the new five-year term start? >> No, I think Yeah. No, I think that's just to that's I think Yeah, that's a good question. I have to look that up. I don't know the answer to that, John. I think it's to finish the term, though. Um, and then and then and then they can run for reelection. There there's currently a term limit. You can only serve two terms. So I don't I think it's analogous to ours in that like you could I if Macron stepped down whoever the

[09:52] person who wins could run theoretically two more times and be elected. So uh it it would work like that. But I I have to look into that. Um and I don't know the answer. Um but it's uh you know the situation's very uh you know very fraught. Um, you know, I McRone has been just trying to play the same game over and over and over and uh, you know, all the French political observers from far left to far right and everything in between kind of agree that this just

[10:23] can't go on. I mean, he basically just keeps putting up these moderate centrist corporist um, prime ministers who can't form a government. I mean and the way [clears throat] that the French political uh alignment is now uh everything has grabbed basically what you have is you have a mushy small minority party in the form of Macron's party then over on the right you have a unified right the the u under Marin Le Pen

[10:53] >> right >> and Jordan Bardello her um her protege then over on the left you have a an alliance of convenience of left-wing parties that all told add up to the biggest plurality party. And so in the last snap election that was held in April of last year, that was called the new popular front that's hearkening to 1936 and the old French popular front which was a so again a front of uh the socialist and communist and other

[11:23] related parties. Um and they elected back in 1936 famously France's first and only Jewish president Leon Bloom um who uh also instituted he was the FDR of France. He instituted the French social safety net as we know it today. So this is very resonant. So we don't know if the new popular front could reform. I think they will. Um and so the the question is when will Macron see reality? John, there is no world in which

[11:54] Emmanuel Mcron finishes his term. No, >> it is. >> It's impossible. I mean, I think if he lives to see if his if if he makes it to to Christmas, he's lucky. Um I don't think so. >> Wow. Christmas is right around the corner. >> Yeah, I don't think it's, you know, I mean, he's he's really on the ropes. Look, it's I understand it's it's like it's disgrace in the French system. It's even more of a disgrace to step down as president than it is for an American president. It's bad. Like it's a blot

[12:26] on, you know, on you in history. It's just like what kind of [ __ ] scandal scarred loser are you? Um and you know, I mean, you know, de Gaul had it coming. He was just exhausted. He was so old by then and he was so out of touch with the youth and everything. They all he was hated and reviled and basically he just died shortly after resigning, right? Um, Mcronone is a young man. Um, you know, he's he has his whole life really ahead of him. And so, you know, it's it's he's

[12:56] got to be just like his head's spinning. I don't think he can process it. I think his little brain is little he's like the little disc on your computer circling. He can't he just can't believe this is happening. He went from having total control of the French Parliament to and you know and the Elise palace and being you know the dominant leader in Western Europe to being like hated and reviled. It's it's crazy. But you know they've got to do something. Um >> and uh you know also another thing that's true is that the corporate

[13:27] interests are not going to get their way this time. um you know, sorry. Yeah, you guys want like austerity and you want to roll back the social safety net and you want a low you want a a higher retirement age and all that. You may get it, but you're not getting it this time. Um the the the far left and the far right total probably account for about 70% or more of the vote. Um and and the French people and not to mention cities are going to burn. So um it's it's just not going to happen. So, you know,

[13:57] Mccronisma is finished. Now, this becomes a struggle between the left and the right. And um it would, if they're smart, what they'll do is they'll put together some kind of populist kind of uh you know uh accommodation where because there's a lot of stuff that they can agree on. I mean, the right and like unlike here in the United States, the right in France believes in a social safety net. Um, the right believes in climate change and thinks that it's that it's actually happening. The right cares about the environment. So, they can do a

[14:30] lot together. And they also put they they also believe they both agree in putting domestic interests first. >> Ted, what do you what do you assess as the chances for violence? The French, one of the things I've always liked about the French is that they're very quick to go out into the streets. You know, we saw the yellow vest protest. I mean, look, going back to 68 and the student protests of 68. Do you see that happening again in the short term?

[15:00] >> Um [sighs] the prelim I mean I think the chances for violence are better than 50/50. Um the the question is how far will the violence go? I mean there's already been violence, right? I mean there's been running street battles between the Siri and uh and the and the protesters. There's, you know, trash fires. There's like there's been strikes. Um there's been suppressed really violently. You know, the French cops um you know, the national police, they're goons. They're mean as [ __ ] Um and and they just tend to to raise the temperature. So there

[15:31] Yeah, I mean I think violence definitely is going to happen. The question is how far will it go and uh you know, how and how much how far will the government be willing to go to suppress it? It could. I mean, honestly, I don't really see the limit just yet. Um there's got to be one, but I don't I I don't know. It's the French are, you know, like you said. Um Mustello uh Matzerati John is is saying, "I will also help donate and stay in touch through RT.

[16:02] >> I have Sachs and McGovern on Speed Dial." Um Frog [laughter] Enthusiast 235 says, "I think you underestimate how much Mcron will do not to resign." I always love these like nicknames that people have on the internet. I was never able to come up with good ones. It's like like I'm always [laughter] >> Ted Raw 1963, right? >> Yeah. Like no, it's it's I'm a boring person that way. Um yeah, they someone

[16:35] once was making fun of me and calling me Tokyo Rose and they called me Cobble Ted back during the war of terrorists and so I took it for myself. I thought it was hilarious. But yeah. Um, hey John, do you worry about Kimberly Gilfoil in Greece? That's a question >> wants to know. >> Greek. Yes. Yes. Greeks are worried about Kimberly Gilfoil. Yes. They're being very nice about it. They're not being too terribly public about it, but they don't like her. They believe that she's a lightweight. They don't care if

[17:06] she was once an assistant US attorney. Does not matter to anybody. Um, you know, the the Greeks the Greeks are used to having um professional diplomats as American ambassadors. Every once in a while there's a political appointee, >> but they tend to be Greek Americans, wealthy Greek Americans who already have close ties to the Greek government, and so that's fine, too. Um, but this this is something the Greeks are not happy about. I will say she's probably smarter

[17:38] than we generally give her credit for. >> Um, so I don't know. >> She needs a better She needs a better rhinoplasty expert though. >> Yeah, >> that was I mean, you know, the Dead Kennedy's, one of my favorite bands, had an album called Plastic Surgery Disasters. I always think of that title whenever I look at her. >> Yeah, she needs uh the the doctors from botched. [laughter] >> Yeah. I know. I mean, maybe maybe it's like the $6 million man. We have the technology. We can rebuild her.

[18:09] [laughter] >> Maybe. Um. >> Okay. So, all right. So, is that enough? That's is that So, so that's it for France. Maybe. What do you want to talk? What should we do now? Shut down. >> Well, yeah, we should talk about the shutdown, too. Donald Trump made a statement yesterday that was just so so typically Trump and so silly. He said that, okay, he's willing to talk about Obamacare subsidies, but

[18:39] only after the government reopens. That's the point of the shutdown, >> right? >> It's shut down because you can't agree on Obamacare subsidies. So, what he's saying is he's willing to talk about o Obamacare subsidies if the Democrats walk away from them, >> right? Which is ridiculous. >> Ridiculous. >> I mean, here's the thing. I mean, >> it's a waste of breath to even say it. >> True. Now the thing is though he Donald Trump even though the polls are running against the Republicans on the shutdown.

[19:10] Um the the thing is that the Republicans I mean the Democrats I mean sorry the Republicans do have one major thing going for them which is that the Democratic messaging has been [ __ ] on this. And so I mean all that all the Democrats need to do is say look today's October 7th. on October 15th, millions of Americans are going to start getting kicked off Medicaid because that's the deadline for 2026 healthare. They miss that. The subsidies aren't in place by October 14th. Um, in a week, a week from

[19:43] today, then the system's going to start to collapse and by November 15th is another round of deadlines for the non-medicaid, for the people who are like middle class and just need a government subsidy. those people are going to be kicked out of the system or maybe not. They'll they'll they'll just have to pay a [ __ ] ton more. So, you know, instead of paying, you know, 200 a month, they might have to pay a thousand a month or more. Um, you know, the the some of the basic plans here in New York City are $1,400 or $1,600 a month. And

[20:14] and that's with like $10,000 deductibles and stuff. Um, >> yeah, mine's I pay 9.83 a month. It's >> and I told you my doctor said to me when I went to the doctor last time, he said, "Why do you have this [ __ ] insurance?" >> Well, that's that's Obamacare a month. Yep. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's by county. It's very very It's a shitty system. But the only thing worse than a shitty system is no system at all. And that's kind of like what the Republicans want. So the the Democrats haven't been messaging. They haven't been running any ads on social or on TV. Uh so there's, you

[20:46] know, they're they're not getting their message through. Nobody really knows basically we just it's you know what this is really about. >> It's frustrating John because I think the head I think the deadline's going to lapse u the way things are going and then the the thing is if millions of people who are kicked off the health care system are no longer in it by next year it's not like Humpty Dumpty is going to be put back together again by next year. I mean not with this president not with this Congress. So the

[21:18] ACA will just crumble. The Democrats can't go along with it. They just can't because literally I think I mean John, I've been thinking about this. I think this is a grave crisis for the Democratic party. I mean they're already in deep trouble. If they let this go, they will be blamed for the end of the health care system. If they they can't give those seven Senate votes to Donald Trump. They can't. >> So the government stays shut down. I mean, obviously, Congress could pass some kind of work around that says we're

[21:49] changing all the deadlines. We're, you know, but but that's more work. That's going to be, you know, that's going to require almost something that feels like a grand bargain. Hard to imagine between these two political parties at this time. But the Democrats, I don't think the Republicans know that the Democrats can't go along with this. This is something, you know, when you negotiate, you have to know what the other side needs and what they want. The Democrats need this. They have to have it. I don't know if the Republicans understand that.

[22:20] >> Yeah, I think they don't. >> Or if they care. >> I think they don't. But I I agree with you, U Ted, that Democratic messaging is as bad as I've seen it be since the 1994 Republican contract with America. I kept waiting in 1994 for the Democrats to say something, to come up with some proposal, some policy, and it was nothing. And that's how it is again this year. They don't stand for anything. >> Tammy Landing says, "The Dems can

[22:52] effectively complicate a wet dream." >> Indeed. >> I think we've got an I think we've got an ad, Ted. >> All right, we're ready for it, Robbie. Whenever you're ready to put that up, I'll I'll I'll I'll blast through it. Um, okay. So, yeah. So, I think this goes on. We should talk about Gaza. >> Yeah, we should. >> Um, so it's been it's been two years since the October 7th attack. Okay, we'll hold that there. Here's the ad. Still haven't tried 1775 coffee? Now's

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[30:10] territories, right? Yes. Um there was always conversations about how there needs to be some kind of corridor like a highway that's protected between the two that goes through Israel. Um but that you I mean you and I both know like from history non-ontiguous territory causes trouble. Um East Pakistan and Pakistan and so on. Um >> so um but it creates another problem. I can see how Gaza can be viable. Gaza can be a tourist attraction e, you know, not

[30:42] necessarily Trump's vision in his AI video, but it can be beautiful beaches, stunning beaches, beautiful, beautiful climate, great place to visit, good food, every what's not to like? Um, they've got oil as we've talked about. So, you know, they can so that between tourism and natural resources, Gaza can make it. >> The West Bank doesn't have anything, right? I mean, it I don't think it's vi economically viable. It would be like lutu. It would be a locked landlocked,

[31:12] cut off from the world, no natural resources, desperately poor. I mean, here I don't want to sound like some Zionists, but some Zionists just have suggested that that should go back to Jordan. And I think maybe that's right. >> Could be, >> you know, >> could be. >> But that's a deal, I guess, that the West Bank authorities could negotiate with the Jordanians. Maybe they become like a Kurdistan kind of autonomous zone. >> You know, they have autonomous status with the way that Wizerstan does with

[31:45] Pakistan. >> You know, it's it's part of Jordan. They pay taxes. >> They the Jordanian army comes in when there's a crisis, but not generally, >> right? Yeah. Half the population of Jordan is Palestinian anyway. >> Yeah. >> So, that that could work. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. John, do you think Donald Trump will be the person who um who is able to negotiate this three-state or two and a half state solution?

[32:16] >> No, I I honestly don't. Donald Trump is definitely not a detail guy. >> No. >> You know, I've got this story that I've told a number of times, Ted. Um a friend of mine was at Camp David the in the final week of the Clinton administration. He was the senior director at the National Security Council for Middle Eastern Affairs and talks between Israel and the Palestinians were taking place under the direction of Vice President Gore who was very much a detail man as was Clinton.

[32:49] And my buddy said that on the last day they had this enormous map of Jerusalem on the table and with a Sharpie they're literally dividing Jerusalem block by block. And when they finished Gore said, "My God, we have peace." And Yaser Arafat said, "I can never sell this to the Palestinian people." And he walked out. Gore ran out after him and

[33:20] he said, "Wait a minute. You can't just walk out. If you don't like the deal, then we can renegotiate whatever it is that you don't like." And he said, "I can never sell any deal to the Palestinian people." And that was the end of it. And then Clinton said in his memoir, his first memoir, that he wished he had spent that week not trying to negotiate peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis, but instead trying to open diplomatic relations with the North Koreans. You may remember, maybe you

[33:51] don't, but I do, um, Maline Albbright, the Secretary of State at the time, was not at those Israeli Arab-Israeli talks because she was in Pyongyang. convince the North Koreans to open diplomatic relations. So instead of, you know, walking away from one to to strengthen the other and then come out with a victory, >> we ended up with two failures. >> That sucks. >> So my point is

[34:24] Gore and Clinton were detail guys. Trump is absolutely positively not a detail guy. So if the detail guys couldn't work out the details, then the guy who just says make peace or else he's not gonna make >> I mean it's been mentioned, right? But like you know Trump is a uh you know I think it comes from Trump's business background. When you do a real estate deal or a big financial transaction, you have a deal sheet with the basic points that's usually a single piece of paper and has like a set of bullet points that

[34:54] basically says you know you know Kuryaku Corp is is uh you know selling 40% to R Corp and you know we're going to have an exchange of this many shares and this office will belong to you and that office belong to me but it's just very basic. it might just be a few hundred words and then all the details are are hashed out by the lawyers uh and then you know ultimately codified and sign and that's what he's used to. He's not used to, you know, like a Paris Versailles 1919 kind of, you know,

[35:27] conference where you're sitting over pouring over a a map of Kurdistan trying to uh figure out what part of it goes to Turkey and what part of it ends up in Iraq and where Iraq should be and why and like the >> somebody call the British. [laughter] >> Yeah, of course. >> British cgraphers have never caused any problems, right? Um, so yeah. No, I I I see that, but I mean, but a but a weird part here is we are somehow closer to

[36:00] something than we've ever been. Is that due to Donald Trump or is that due to Hamas or is that due to both? >> Yeah, I think it's due to Hamas and I think it's due also in part to the historic overreaction. of uh Benjamin Netanyahu. >> Well, that was his big mistake, right? I mean, imagine I mean, first of all, I just want to hand it to Hamas strategically, right? I mean, they

[36:31] literally they played this long game probably for at least 5 to 10 years. They they created the, you know, the Gaza subway, right? They created this massive struct infrastructure of tunnels so that they to prepare for this future when there would be another Israeli onslaught even bigger than anything they'd ever seen before. And then they launched the raid and they pro to provoke this reaction which they wanted a big blockbuster reaction. The most the

[37:02] the worst from a from the Palestinian perspective, the worst thing could have happened is would have been for the Israelis to treat this like a like a like a crime to ask the to ask Hamas to to arrest the perpetrators, cloal the border, ask Hamas to extradite anyone who's guilty. Uh maybe just do a pinpoint like commando raid into into Gaza. >> That would have absolutely like killed them. they would have been in cutter like [ __ ] they didn't fall for our trap.

[37:33] Um >> yes yes I agree completely >> but you but I think they're all like toasting each other like yeah like everything came up Hamas you know like that like like in the Simpsons everything's coming up Milhouse. Um, it's [laughter] like I love that >> and it's and it's like this is not by the way to praise I'm you know I have nothing in common with Hamas or their ideology or their religion at all. Uh I would not like to live under their rule.

[38:05] I'm just saying like good job tactically though really. Um >> very good job tactically. >> So let's see. Um oh yeah so Philip Blair 9511 says the Germans were emptied out of Coninsburg. families who'd lived there for centuries. That's true. I mean, certainly there's been mass displacements, displacements of people many times. Look, there were Israeli settled settlers in Gaza and they were forced to to they were kicked out by the IDF before >> and and Sinai.

[38:35] >> Yeah. A lot of them. Yeah. >> A lot. Whole towns. >> And just recently in Norno Carabach, right, the um the uh the Azeris kicked out the Armenians, ethnic Armenians. So I mean yeah you can have mass displacements of people and you know the these are people who shouldn't be there. So uh when we're talking about the West Bank settlers and the numbers are just so crazy. I mean >> agreed >> they possess 60% of the of the West Bank

[39:05] in terms of the land. So >> it's crazy. >> I mean it's like what the hell. Um >> little breaking thing if I could. Oh. Oh no. You have breaking news. >> Little breaking news. Uh Robbie just put it up. New York Times is reporting that gold is now at $4,000 an ounce amid uh turmoil and uh you know nervousness and anxiety in the mark in the securities markets. >> Yeah. 4,000 is one of those psychological thresholds that's never been met before. So that's at a record.

[39:36] Silver has moved even more strongly into record territory. And now people are predicting uh that Bitcoin will soon follow. Well, at least gold's got inherent value, unlike Bitcoin. The thing is, you know, I'm I'm old enough to remember when gold had a fixed rate of $35 an ounce in 1973. >> Yep. >> Man, man, I I wish I'd say I'd put I'd used my paper route money to buy gold. >> Yeah. I wish I had like

[40:09] >> I remember those days. >> Yeah. $35. >> Nixon changed it for everybody. >> Yeah, he did. Yeah, he Yeah, I mean I I have to I do understand the gold bug thing completely. I mean there's something very like it, you know, primal about like like I want to be like a bridge troll. I want gold. It's so beautiful. But it is >> it is never tarnishes. >> I want those uh I I lust for those $20 gold pieces. [laughter]

[40:41] I used to collect coins avidly. Now it's just I don't I don't do that anymore. I like paper currency better. >> It's it's really affordable >> and it's and it's cool. Yeah. The graphics and everything. >> I always uh I always keep my euros when I come home from a trip to Europe. Always >> I miss the French Franks >> when I Oh, do you still have Franks? >> Yeah. Yeah. With the with the you know with like Mullier and stuff like that. So beautiful. I have a lot of old

[41:11] dramas. I anytime I encounter an old Dramma that's made out of silver like pre-1964. >> I I buy it and just toss it in a bag of you know hundreds of other dramas. [laughter] >> Well, I mean it says something when you know like I tried I explained that to my kid like you know so you understand like if you want to know what this what happened to this country dimes and quarters were 90% silver until 1965. [laughter] I mean that's tells you a lot about a

[41:42] country. [snorts] You know if you go back and look at um you know World War II currency like Vichi coins, they were aluminum and they had a hole punched in the middle because they couldn't even afford the the you know the aluminum or the tin that they used to make them. >> Yeah. How embarrassing. >> It is embarrassing. Well, you know, John, they don't even you know like when they redesigned, you know, the $20 bill to to its current iteration. I don't know if you read this, but you know, it's obviously it's an incredibly ugly

[42:14] bill. It's like it's just it's it's it's uh it's off prop the poor proportions are all off wildly and it just looks like someone who you know was dropped on their head at birth like designed it, right? And then they were interviewed, I think it was in the New York Times, they inter they called the mint and they said the mint said confided that they had not hired a graphic designer to to do this for literally the the US $20 bill is the most widely circulated bill in the world, right? It's the standard like people keep 20s and hundreds like you

[42:46] know all over the world um as their savings. And like no graphic designer had anything to do with they said their only concern was anti- was anti-counterfeiting measures. They did not care what it looked like. >> And it's like this is a, you know, it's like a step forward, you know. Meanwhile, it's sort of like what happened. I don't know if you remember this incident like with postage stamps, but about I think 10 years ago, one of the forever stamps with the Statue of Liberty head on it, it turned out that

[43:17] it was a a a photo of the Statue of Liberty on top of the New York New York casino in Las Vegas. um it was not the actual. And so it turned out that the post office had paid $8 to a um to a uh uh um to a company that has stock photography for the rights to this photo and nobody bothered to check whether it was the real thing or not. So they literally put out a stamp that that had the wrong Statue of Liberty on it. And back in the day, if

[43:49] there was a [ __ ] like that, the postal service would have shredded recalled the run and shredded them all. and they would have become highly desirable. Like they're like, "Ah, keep printing them, whatever." Meanwhile, like back in like the 1930s, if you if you engrave >> if you engrave just like a little stamp that was like a one a two cent stamp that was like had a picture of like Andrew Jackson on it or something. You those guys literally got $100,000 to engrave a stamp like that

[44:21] >> in the depression. in the depression. >> Um Tariq, thank thanks for the donation. Bosnia, he says, is the real ideal solution for the country is divided up to accommodate three ethnic groups. Dayton peaceful but not ideal. >> Yeah, we've talked about that. Well, we've touched on it a couple of times. Um, Bosnia, I think, would have to be the model because if you look at a map of Bosnia, it's got all these little islands of, you know, of not Bosnia,

[44:55] whether it's Republica, Serpska, I always hated that name, >> Republic. >> Um, or whatever else, whatever else they were able to negotiate that is Serb. Um, it has worked against all odds and maybe that's the model that that the world needs to be thinking about. [snorts] >> Could could work. Um, >> hey, real real quick, Ted. >> Yeah, >> we only have about 11 minutes left, so I wanted to raise this whole Gain Maxwell

[45:25] thing, >> please. >> You know, Trump said something yesterday that was very, very disturbing. Uh, somebody asked him if he was going to pardon Galain Maxwell and he said disingenuously um he hadn't thought about it. Oh, I haven't heard that name in a long time. He said, [laughter] >> "God, the lying like and he knows I mean he must know that nobody believes him." But anyway, um and then he said, "Oh, a lot of

[45:56] people ask me for pardons." Uh, and then the reporter followed up by shouting, "Uh, are you considering pardoning her?" And he said, "Uh, well, I haven't heard that name in a long time. I'm going to have to take a look at it." This is a this is a convicted child molester and sex trafficker. Child sex trafficker. Let's say he doesn't even pardon her. Let's say he commutes her sentence, which is just as good, >> right? Pretty much. What does that do to

[46:29] Donald Trump among Republicans? [snorts] Because remember, it's the Republicans who think that the government is made up of child molesters and and sex traffickers, >> right? And there's this secret cabal that, you know, eats the hearts of children or whatever. >> Um, what does that do to Trump and his coalition? Robbie, I think Robbie and I agree. Robbie just texted, "Nothing will destroy Trump's coalition faster than him barding her." I agree. I think he's really playing with fire

[46:59] here and maybe he just doesn't even realize it. >> I I think he realizes it and that's why he's dragging his feet. He's rolling Hamas style on this. Um, you know, he he's definitely he knows it's going to fracture his coalition. He knows it's really it's fraught. But let let me flip this on the other let's look at this Rubik's cube from the other side. What happens if he doesn't pardon her? What's the downside for him or commuter sentence? >> The the downside

[47:30] is that somebody out there, and I'm just making this up, somebody out there has documentary evidence that he committed a crime. Let's even assume that the statute of limitations has expired. >> There's documentary evidence that he was somehow involved with with Jeffrey Epstein and it's released. That's the only thing I can think of. >> Well, she's been transferred to that minimum security. >> Minimum security despite the fact that

[48:01] if you have been convicted of a sex crime, you are not eligible to be sent to minimum security. >> So why why did that happen? >> That was a personal favor. First of all, only the attorney general can order that, right? Or the attorney general on behalf of the president, but the attorney general makes that decision. So, I mean, the obvious answer is there has to be some sort of quid proquo. >> It feels like there's some Look, there's some kind of there's something hanging

[48:32] over Donald Trump. We don't know what it is. We can guess, but it I mean, he could just say I mean, if there wasn't, why wouldn't he just say, "Fuck her. Lock her, you know, she's locked up. Throw away the key and see you. See you in 20 years. Bye." >> Yeah. >> Um, >> thank you. Thank you, Real Real, for those kind comments. Appreciate >> I wanted to you, you know, I did want to ask you, John, I was very curious what you'd think about this. So, I read um in in with great interest and some and

[49:02] considerable detail her appeal to the US Supreme Court. >> Yes. Which was denied yesterday, day before, >> which was denied. Frankly, I thought she was wronged. I think I think she made a good point. I mean, she was arguing. So, basically back in 2008 when Jeffrey Epstein was uh you know basically cut a deal with prosecutors down in Florida for sex crimes uh and they they agreed not to prosecute him or any of his associates who were involved. That would

[49:35] include her. Um she claims that she should have therefore been covered on these charges in New York. These are all federal charges. her argue her lawyer's argument was if you make a deal if I Ted R make a deal with federal prosecutors here in New York City. Uh, and I say it's and like I'm, you know, I'm a I'm I'm free to go. You know, you can't critic, you can't you can't prosecute me for this that crime that pro federal prosecutors in Oregon shouldn't be able

[50:06] to touch me either because it's one country. It's the United States. It's the federal authority is over the entire country. And the or the Oregon prosecutors can't say, "Well, we're the we're the Oregon district." Like, no. Like, I made a deal. You guys made a deal and you said I could walk. I think she's right. >> She may be. Well, she may be >> like philosophically, but this said no. >> Yeah. So, this is I mean to me this was a political decision on the on the part

[50:38] of the US Supreme Court. I think they were they knew and that's why they didn't issue a formal opinion. >> Yeah. >> It's just sort of like >> it's sort of just it's just sort of like just know. It's like you and I have talked about how we had certain decisions in our cases that basically came down to if your name is John Kuryaku or Ted Bra, this law does not apply to you. >> So if if your name is Gizlain Maxwell, this law does not apply to you. I don't

[51:08] know. It's I mean all every time something like this happens, John, it always makes me wonder why do people make deals what with the feds? Why do they trust them not to like reneg? I mean, look at look at you. They reneged with you. They said you were going to a to a camp. They said you were going to club fed. Then you arrive and they're like, "Fuck you. You're going to the real clink." I mean, it everybody hears about these stories. It's like, why on earth? It's like, if I were ever

[51:38] arrested, I'd be like, I don't believe a word you say. You guys are liars. >> That's right. That's right. Um, I can tell you why people take a deal and and it's it's 98% of federal criminal cases end in a plea bargain. Um, and it's because of uh something called uh federal sentencing enhancements. So, if you turn down a deal and go to trial and are found guilty,

[52:08] >> they add time >> to your sentence for what they call failure to accept responsibility. >> Ridiculous. >> Yeah. >> Isn't that Isn't that unconstitutional? Because it's punishing you for your decision to def to avail yourself of your of your constitutional right to to defend yourself. >> That's right. Yes, you're exactly right. Um, I assume that's been adjudicated. Um, unfortunately. Hey, so Robbie's bringing up another interesting point.

[52:38] He said, "We're forgetting about uh Thomas Massiey's bill forcing the release of the Epstein files." Massie announced on social a day or two ago that he has the 218 votes necessary to to force the release and that this the real reason that the Republicans are letting the government stay shut down is because that way the House isn't reconvened and and that that's not going to come up for a vote. Wow. He's got the 218. So, what we're

[53:09] talking about here is his what's called his discharge petition. >> These things only come once a decade >> when the when the House leadership has a bill bottled up in committee or subcommittee and you want it to go to the floor >> um of the House for a vote. You have to file a discharge petition which discharges it from the committee. Usually the rules committee. the rules committee decides what goes to a vote and what doesn't. But then it's

[53:40] complicated. It used to be that the rules committee was the most powerful committee in the in the House and now it's the speaker that decides what the rules committee releases. So, but anyway, thanks to N. Gingrich. Anyway, um if Massie has 218 votes, that's all Democrats and five Republicans. And that means the vote will be likely 218 to two I I guess it's 16 now because

[54:12] there's still a vacancy and all of those Jeffrey Epstein documents will be made public. >> You know Messi is one of my favorite members of Congress. This guy doesn't give a [ __ ] if he gets reelected or not. >> That's great. >> It's great. It's It's got to be liberating. >> Oh, totally. only in getting the truth out there. >> John, it's time to wrap things up, but before we do, let's bring in Robbie for one last uh reminder and push for people

[54:44] who are just joining us. Hey, Robbie, we see your shoulder. It's a beautiful shoulder. I love your shoulder. >> It's the best shoulder. Yeah. Sorry, I was getting tmi ready to go. Speaking of tmi, uh we are building a network. So, if you're here on Rumble, just stay tuned. We're going to be rating the tmi show where you get to see more Ted R, less uh John Keryaku, but you do get to see the beautiful Manila Chan. So, it's, you know, there's a win. There's a win and a loss. There's there's a little toss up there. We'll just call it what it is. But the biggest reason why I wanted to just come back on is that over

[55:15] on YouTube, we currently have 225 people watching us on YouTube. Uh, for those of you who tuned in late, uh, YouTube has demonetized, deprogrammed. John and Ted get nothing from YouTube anymore. >> Dangerous content. >> We are, we are trying to appeal it. Uh, but I mean, let's just be honest. YouTube is big because it's supported by the people who silenced John and Ted in the past. So I am I am asking you if you want this

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[56:22] And so if I'm able to do that, the least you can do is go over it and watch >> here. Here. Thank you very much, Robbie West. >> That's all I've got to say. And uh just one quick thing just about Epste will go away. If Trump wants to destroy the Republican party, all he has to do is release uh Maxwell. That will end the Republican coalition. That will destroy the Republican party. I promise you, it's a creature from the right. And on that, I got to go to TMI. >> Okay. And so do I. We'll be back tomorrow here with uh with Dro with Ted

[56:52] Ren, John Kuryaku at 9:00 a.m. Eastern time. John, watch out for the tarantulas, the snakes, and the mosquitoes, and the hurricanes. >> But otherwise, it's paradise. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's wonderful. Wonderful. >> Bye. Bye. Bye.
